Magdalena Bachmann

Magdalena Bachmann

Female 1861 - 1941  (79 years)

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  • Name Magdalena Bachmann  [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
    Born 4 Oct 1861  Oldenburg, Franklin County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [10, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23
    Gender Female 
    Find A Grave Memorial Number 26809752 
    Residence 1870  Salt Creek Township, Franklin County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [24
    Age: 8; Census Post Office: Peppertown 
    Residence 1880  Salt Creek Township, Franklin County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [25
    Age: 18; Marital Status: Single; Relation to Head of House: Daughter 
    Occupation 1884  Oldenburg, Franklin County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [22
    housekeeper 
    Residence 1900  Adams Township, Ripley County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [26
    Age: 38; Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Wife 
    Residence 1910  Adams Township, Ripley County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [27
    Age: 48; Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Wife 
    Residence 1920  Adams Township, Ripley County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [28
    Age: 58; Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Wife 
    Residence 1930  Adams Township, Ripley County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [29
    Age: 68; Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Wife; Relation to Head of House: Daughter 
    Residence 1935  Adams Township, Ripley County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [30
    Residence 1 Apr 1940  Adams Township, Ripley County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [31
    Age: 78; Marital Status: Single; Relation to Head of House: Head 
    Last Residence Jun 1941  Morris, Ripley County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [23
    Race White  [32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38
    Died 3 Jun 1941  Morris, Ripley County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [23, 39
    Cause: "ceberal hemorrhage due to arteriosclerotic heart disease due to hypertensive heart diseas 
    • at the home of her daughter, Rose
    Buried 5 Jun 1941  Morris, Ripley County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [23, 40
    • St. Anthonys Church Cemetery; cost of funeral $160
    Person ID I4423  obenlandGenealogy
    Last Modified 9 Aug 2018 

    Father Gervas Bachmann,   b. 12 Jun 1820, Breisach am Rhein, Breisgau-Hochschwarzwald, Baden-Württemberg, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 14 Apr 1900, Liberty Township, Shelby County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 79 years) 
    Relationship natural 
    Mother Magdalena Widerle,   b. 22 May 1822, Merdingen, Freiburg, Baden, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 27 Sep 1894, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 72 years) 
    Relationship natural 
    Married 23 Nov 1846  Hamilton County, Ohio, USA Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F1645  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Unknown Unknown 
    Married They were never married 
    Children 
     1. Emma Cecilia Bachmann,   b. 18 Mar 1881, Oldenburg, Franklin County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 27 Sep 1963, Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 82 years)  [natural]
    Last Modified 9 Aug 2018 
    Family ID F1644  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Monroe Gloshen,   b. 7 Nov 1857, Franklin County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 6 Mar 1925, Milroy, Rush County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 67 years) 
    Married They were never married  [14
    Children 
     1. Albert Louis Gloshen,   b. 27 Oct 1878, Oldenburg, Franklin County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 3 Dec 1961, Shelbyville, Shelby County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 83 years)  [natural]
    Last Modified 9 Aug 2018 
    Family ID F1646  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 3 Peter Adam Roell,   b. 9 Jan 1848, Bavaria, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 5 Jun 1934, Morris, Adams Township, Ripley, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 86 years) 
    Marriage License 22 Oct 1884  Franklin County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [41, 42
    issued by William H Dracken, Clerk of the Circuit Court; filed with the court 3 Nov 1884 
    Married 29 Oct 1884  Oldenburg, Franklin County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [42
    Children 
     1. Rosa M Roell,   b. 1 Sep 1885, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 19 Feb 1959, Hamilton, Ohio, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 73 years)  [natural]
     2. Otto Alphonse Roell, Sr,   b. 19 Jul 1888, Indianapolis, Marion County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 21 Oct 1980, Batesville, Ripley County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 92 years)  [natural]
     3. Veronica Philomena Roell,   b. 20 Sep 1891, Ripley County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 5 Dec 1979, DeWitt County, Illinois, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 88 years)  [natural]
    Last Modified 9 Aug 2018 
    Family ID F1647  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Photos
    Magdalena Bachmann Roell older
    Magdalena Bachmann Roell older
    Magdalena Bachmann Roell
    Magdalena Bachmann Roell
    Magdalena Bachmann Roell
    Magdalena Bachmann Roell
    Young Magdalena and Peter Roell after marriage
    Young Magdalena and Peter Roell after marriage
    Magdalena Bachmann Roell page 1
    Magdalena Bachmann Roell page 1
    Magdalena Roell Funeral Card
    Magdalena Roell Funeral Card
    Holy Family Church Letter 7 May 1977
    Holy Family Church Letter 7 May 1977
    Magdalena Bachmann Roell and Peter Adam Roell
    Magdalena Bachmann Roell and Peter Adam Roell
    Veronica Otto and Rose Roell 1907
    Veronica Otto and Rose Roell 1907

  • Sources 
    1. [S737] 1880 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2010;), Year: 1880; Census Place: Salt Creek, Franklin, Indiana; Roll: 278; Family History Film: 1254278; Page: 407B; Enumeration District: 088; Image: 0476.
      Record for Albert L. Bachman
      1880 United States Federal Census - Albert Lewis Gloshen
      1880 United States Federal Census - Albert Lewis Gloshen


    2. [S736] 1870 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2009;), Year: 1870; Census Place: Salt Creek, Franklin, Indiana; Roll: M593_315; Page: 450A; Image: 459; Family History Library Film: 545814.
      Record for Magdalene Bachman
      1870 United States Federal Census - Benjamin Bernard Riedeman
      1870 United States Federal Census - Benjamin Bernard Riedeman


    3. [S727] 1900 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2004;), Year: 1900; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: 400; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 0116; FHL microfilm: 1240400.
      Record for Magdalena Roell
      1900 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1900 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    4. [S721] 1910 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006;), Year: 1910; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: T624_376; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 0137; FHL microfilm: 1374389.
      Record for Magdalina Roell
      1910 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1910 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    5. [S724] 1920 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2010;), Year: 1920; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: T625_461; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 151; Image: 1038.
      Record for Madglena Roell
      1920 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1920 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    6. [S738] 1930 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2002;), Year: 1930; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: 623; Page: 14A; Enumeration District: 0002; Image: 1034.0; FHL microfilm: 2340358.
      Record for Magdalena Roell
      1930 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1930 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    7. [S874] Indiana, Marriage Collection, 1800-1941, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2005;), Franklin County, Indiana; Index to Marriage Record 1850 - 1920 Inclusive Vol, W. P. A. Original Record Located: County Clerk's O; Book: 11; Page: 243.
      Record for Peter Roell

    8. [S874] Indiana, Marriage Collection, 1800-1941, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2005;), Franklin County, Indiana; Index to Marriage Record 1850-1920 Inclusive Volum, W. P. A. Original Record Located County Clerk's Of; Book: 11; Page: 243.
      Record for Magdalena Bachmann

    9. [S733] 1940 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2012;), Year: 1940; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: T627_1090; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 69-2.
      Record for Madgelene Roell
      1940 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1940 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    10. [S1332] Letter from Holy Family Church To Cecilia Obenland Backhaus Joder; re: Bachmann Births, Father Casper Gensler, O.F.M, (Name: Holy Family Church; Location: Oldenburg, IN; Date: 7 May 1977;), Bachman #5., Cecilia received 9 May 1977.
      "...There are two daughters listed: Anna Elizabeth who was born on July 27, 1856, and Magdalena who was born on October 4, 1861." and "...Magdalena (the daughter, not Gervase's wife) had an illegitimate child, Albert Louis Bachmann, born October 27, 1878."

    11. [S1480] Emma Bachmann Howe Huston Price Letter to Children, Emma Bachmann, (Location: Los Angeles, CA; Date: 7 Jul 1929;), to her children, James and Geraldine Huston; found by granddaughter Cecilia after Geraldine's death, 17 Oct 1968.

    12. [S4767] Indiana, Death Certificates, 1899-2011, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2015;).
      Record for Otto Roell Sr
      Indiana, Death Certificates, 1899-2011 - Otto Roell
      Indiana, Death Certificates, 1899-2011 - Otto Roell


    13. [S4767] Indiana, Death Certificates, 1899-2011, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2015;).
      Record for Peter Roell
      Indiana, Death Certificates, 1899-2011 - Peter Adam Roell
      Indiana, Death Certificates, 1899-2011 - Peter Adam Roell


    14. [S1139] Albert Louis Gloshen Coroner's Certificate of Death, Indiana Department of Vital Records, (Name: Indiana Department of Health; Location: Indianapolis, IN; Date: 4 Dec 1961;), Certificate 61-043408, received certified copy 30 Sep 1978, Bachmann #123.

    15. [S737] 1880 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2010;), Year: 1880; Census Place: Salt Creek, Franklin, Indiana; Roll: 278; Family History Film: 1254278; Page: 407B; Enumeration District: 088; Image: 0476.
      Record for Albert L. Bachman
      1880 United States Federal Census - Albert Lewis Gloshen
      1880 United States Federal Census - Albert Lewis Gloshen


    16. [S736] 1870 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2009;), Year: 1870; Census Place: Salt Creek, Franklin, Indiana; Roll: M593_315; Page: 450A; Image: 459; Family History Library Film: 545814.
      Record for Magdalene Bachman
      1870 United States Federal Census - Benjamin Bernard Riedeman
      1870 United States Federal Census - Benjamin Bernard Riedeman


    17. [S727] 1900 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2004;), Year: 1900; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: 400; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 0116; FHL microfilm: 1240400.
      Record for Magdalena Roell
      1900 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1900 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    18. [S721] 1910 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006;), Year: 1910; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: T624_376; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 0137; FHL microfilm: 1374389.
      Record for Magdalina Roell
      1910 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1910 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    19. [S724] 1920 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2010;), Year: 1920; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: T625_461; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 151; Image: 1038.
      Record for Madglena Roell
      1920 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1920 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    20. [S738] 1930 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2002;), Year: 1930; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: 623; Page: 14A; Enumeration District: 0002; Image: 1034.0; FHL microfilm: 2340358.
      Record for Magdalena Roell
      1930 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1930 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    21. [S733] 1940 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2012;), Year: 1940; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: T627_1090; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 69-2.
      Record for Madgelene Roell
      1940 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1940 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    22. [S1338] Magdalena Bachmann and Peter Roell Marriage License Application, (Name: Intellectual Reserve, Inc; Location: Salt Lake City, UT;), Indiana, Marriages, 1811-1959; Record #18, GS Film 000549352, Digital Folder 004003609, Image 00422; accessed 22 Jan 2014.

    23. [S1652] Magdalena Bachmann Roell Death Record, Division of Vital Records, (Name: Indiana Department of Health; Location: Indianapolis, IN; Date: 3 Jul 1941;), Local 389, Registered #20045; received certified copy of death certificate 8 Sep 1978; Bachmann #106.

    24. [S736] 1870 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2009;), Year: 1870; Census Place: Salt Creek, Franklin, Indiana; Roll: M593_315; Page: 450A; Image: 459; Family History Library Film: 545814.
      Record for Magdalene Bachman
      1870 United States Federal Census - Benjamin Bernard Riedeman
      1870 United States Federal Census - Benjamin Bernard Riedeman


    25. [S737] 1880 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2010;), Year: 1880; Census Place: Salt Creek, Franklin, Indiana; Roll: 278; Family History Film: 1254278; Page: 407B; Enumeration District: 088; Image: 0476.
      Record for Albert L. Bachman
      1880 United States Federal Census - Albert Lewis Gloshen
      1880 United States Federal Census - Albert Lewis Gloshen


    26. [S727] 1900 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2004;), Year: 1900; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: 400; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 0116; FHL microfilm: 1240400.
      Record for Magdalena Roell
      1900 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1900 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    27. [S721] 1910 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006;), Year: 1910; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: T624_376; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 0137; FHL microfilm: 1374389.
      Record for Magdalina Roell
      1910 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1910 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    28. [S724] 1920 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2010;), Year: 1920; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: T625_461; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 151; Image: 1038.
      Record for Madglena Roell
      1920 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1920 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    29. [S738] 1930 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2002;), Year: 1930; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: 623; Page: 14A; Enumeration District: 0002; Image: 1034.0; FHL microfilm: 2340358.
      Record for Magdalena Roell
      1930 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1930 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    30. [S733] 1940 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2012;), Year: 1940; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: T627_1090; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 69-2.
      Record for Madgelene Roell
      1940 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1940 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    31. [S733] 1940 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2012;), Year: 1940; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: T627_1090; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 69-2.
      Record for Madgelene Roell
      1940 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1940 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    32. [S737] 1880 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2010;), Year: 1880; Census Place: Salt Creek, Franklin, Indiana; Roll: 278; Family History Film: 1254278; Page: 407B; Enumeration District: 088; Image: 0476.
      Record for Albert L. Bachman
      1880 United States Federal Census - Albert Lewis Gloshen
      1880 United States Federal Census - Albert Lewis Gloshen


    33. [S736] 1870 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2009;), Year: 1870; Census Place: Salt Creek, Franklin, Indiana; Roll: M593_315; Page: 450A; Image: 459; Family History Library Film: 545814.
      Record for Magdalene Bachman
      1870 United States Federal Census - Benjamin Bernard Riedeman
      1870 United States Federal Census - Benjamin Bernard Riedeman


    34. [S727] 1900 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2004;), Year: 1900; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: 400; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 0116; FHL microfilm: 1240400.
      Record for Magdalena Roell
      1900 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1900 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    35. [S721] 1910 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006;), Year: 1910; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: T624_376; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 0137; FHL microfilm: 1374389.
      Record for Magdalina Roell
      1910 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1910 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    36. [S724] 1920 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2010;), Year: 1920; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: T625_461; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 151; Image: 1038.
      Record for Madglena Roell
      1920 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1920 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    37. [S738] 1930 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2002;), Year: 1930; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: 623; Page: 14A; Enumeration District: 0002; Image: 1034.0; FHL microfilm: 2340358.
      Record for Magdalena Roell
      1930 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1930 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    38. [S733] 1940 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2012;), Year: 1940; Census Place: Adams, Ripley, Indiana; Roll: T627_1090; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 69-2.
      Record for Madgelene Roell
      1940 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann
      1940 United States Federal Census - Magdalena Bachmann


    39. [S1145] Magdalena Bachmann Roell Funeral Card, received from Otto Roell Jr in 1979.

    40. [S754] Weigel and Son Funeral Directors Letter to Cecilia Obenland Backhaus Joder, Weigel and Son funeral Directors, (Location: Batesville, IN; Date: 7 Sep 1978;), response to letter I wrote asking about the burial of Magdalena Bachmann Roell.
      cost of funeral $160

    41. [S1150] Magdalena Bachmann and Peter Roell Marriage Record, (Name: Intellectual Reserve, Inc.; Location: Salt Lake City, UT;), Indiana, Marriages, 1780-1992, Indexing Project Mo16316, GS Film 476730, accessed 24 Oct 2013.

    42. [S1337] Magdalena Bachmann and Peter Roell Marriage Certificate, (Name: Franklin County Circuit Court; Location: Brookville, IN;), Bachman #97., Franklin County Circuit Court, Book 11, Page 243; received from Loren D Beckman, Clerk of the Circuit Court, 3 Jul 1978 in response to my (Cecilia Obenland Backhaus Joder) request.